A highly respected person in this industry once told me that you cannot create a baby in one month with nine wives. I wrote that saying down and I now keep it in my wallet. No matter how big you are and no matter how many resources you have you simply cannot force a product launch by throwing more resources at it.
For Microsoft it seems no matter how much money, engineers, resources, or computers they throw at a problem they cannot get Windows Vista to launch on time. To be honest, I’m not sure what the deal is, I have been testing the beta versions and I love where it’s going – but it’s just not happening fast enough. Perhaps Microsoft is holding out because they want the experience to be absolutely perfect – or perhaps they just missed deadlines. Either way there are issues with Media Center extensions including the multi-display tool features, HDTV cable card recording, and a few more.
There is nothing wrong with launching a product until it’s perfect – but we all know that bugs will appear no matter how many engineers they have creating it. I would argue that the more resources that they continue to throw at Vista the longer it will be delayed. They need to cut to the fat, fast, and focus on making the core product near perfect.
Some people say that AMD should be upset because they have been sitting on these fantastic 64-bit optimizations on desktop and notebooks for a very long time without a mainstream stage to showcase them. Someone asked me if the delay will have an effect on 32 bit product demand vs 64. The short answer is people don’t seem to care about 64-bit at the moment - but it’s safe to say they will when Vista does finally launch. Luckily for AMD their processors perform well in both 64-bit and 32-bit applications.
Could the delay of Vista effect overall industry sales? It may affect fourth quarter mainstream sales somewhat (not much), but certainly it will not effect the high end market. In fact, I think the delay is great for the enthusiasts because they are not going to hold their breath waiting for Vista. We are seeing customer purchasing Vista ready PCs now with plans to upgrade their OS later.
The Vista delay will give Intel and AMD an opportunity to launch their new hardware in the fall without worrying about nuisance software bugs - and when they launch their new hardware we will see a larger spike in sales regardless of Vista's delay.
I am optimistic that there will be three major spikes in sales over a fairly short period of time – we are currently in the middle of one of those spikes. How this affects the mainstream is anyone’s guess, but if this is any indication, the gaming/enthusiast market tends to influence the mainstream markets.
Some are speculating that the Vista delay means more business for Apple. Sorry guys, but Vista being delayed won't increase Apple's sales - Apple will increase Apple's sales with the help of Intel. If people want an Apple they will buy one - but those who understand the built-in entertainment and gaming experience that Vista offers may decide that Apple is not for them. So perhaps for every person who switches there will be another who switches back once Vista is launched.
Make no mistake, Vista is going to be a killer operating system and there’s no doubt in my mind that it will create huge hardware demands in the way of storage, graphics, memory, and processing. I see storage as king in Vista, so for companies like Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi GST and Samsung the delay of Vista means their business will remain status quo regular growth – but when Vista comes out they should experience major growth; as in multiple drives and larger capacities per PC. With the advancement of HDTV recording, PC gaming, video, music, and all the built-in entertainment features Vista is going to be a storage pig.
This leads me into an article that I wrote for CPU Magazine which will appear in the upcoming issue. It’s about storage, and the various dynamics between the big storage companies. I think it will make for an interesting read, make sure you check back here often.
16 blogger comments:
What I'm wondering is what are you thoughts on the whole minimum system requirements for Vista? Many computer companies (not naming names) have made a business model out of selling computers with absolute minimum system requirements, and turned a profit. With so little RAM, these systems would not appear to be good choices for Vista. Do you think a $300 Vista system will be ready for prime time at launch? Will it run well? Just looking for your thoughts.
You really think people are going to wait for or even buy vista? The only thing it will do, is force people to upgrade all their older XP software, (even though most of that should work as is) upgrade RAM, and as you mentioned storage, then update their monitors (to support DRM), and CPU just to play around with vista's GUI, and DRM? I don't think so.
Heck, even MS is trying to force people to buy vista when it comes out since it will be the only OS to support directX 10.
Sure, as a hardware vendor, a new OS means more sales for you, so we know why you like it, but for the rest of us, it is more of a ..meh.. response.
I really enjoyed the post. Yeah Rahul Bhai..what you thing about the decent system requirements for vista?
I've forgotten about Vista for the longest time, it seems. Already I've been left behind in the dust; I guess I have some catching up to do... When exactly is the WinVista suppose to release? And when is it expected to (if there's a difference).
Doing a brief search, I saw something like 6 different versions being released. If that's true, what's makes one version any different from another, other than the names? (Again, I don't know much on this topic yet, so this may be a stupid question; I apologize)
Here's another question for Rahul: Does VoodooPC plan on offering both Windows XP and Windows Vista when it's launched? I imagine quite a few of your customers would prefer to stick with Windows XP, at least initially.
urban said...
What I'm wondering is what are you thoughts on the whole minimum system requirements for Vista? Many computer companies (not naming names) have made a business model out of selling computers with absolute minimum system requirements, and turned a profit.
Large OEMs are notorious for selling systems with less than minimum requirements for future operating systems. I'll give you one guess as to why this is the case.
With so little RAM, these systems would not appear to be good choices for Vista. Do you think a $300 Vista system will be ready for prime time at launch?
Clearly not.
Will it run well? Just looking for your thoughts.
No, it will run like garbage.
Fri Mar 24, 09:22:44 PM
Anonymous said...
You really think people are going to wait for or even buy vista?
No, I think it's dragged on long enough that it's becoming less significant.
The only thing it will do, is force people to upgrade all their older XP software, (even though most of that should work as is) upgrade RAM, and as you mentioned storage, then update their monitors (to support DRM), and CPU just to play around with vista's GUI, and DRM? I don't think so.
It will force most people to buy new systems.
Heck, even MS is trying to force people to buy vista when it comes out since it will be the only OS to support directX 10.
Yeah, but it's also a killer OS. MS is not "forcing" anyone to buy it, people will see it and fall in love in my opinion.
Sure, as a hardware vendor, a new OS means more sales for you, so we know why you like it, but for the rest of us, it is more of a ..meh.. response.
The more they delay it, the more "meh" it becomes. It will probably be worth the wait though.
Fri Mar 24, 09:24:22 PM
q8techdrive
q8techdrive said...
I really enjoyed the post. Yeah Rahul Bhai..what you thing about the decent system requirements for vista?
I think the system requirements are realistic. Windows Vista is a very media rich operating system, the screens are almost nice enough to eat.
Fri Mar 24, 10:41:58 PM
Juparis
Juparis said...
I've forgotten about Vista for the longest time, it seems. Already I've been left behind in the dust; I guess I have some catching up to do... When exactly is the WinVista suppose to release? And when is it expected to (if there's a difference).
Sometime early 2007. Vista is being touted as the most incredible entertainment operating system ever.
Doing a brief search, I saw something like 6 different versions being released. If that's true, what's makes one version any different from another, other than the names? (Again, I don't know much on this topic yet, so this may be a stupid question; I apologize)
There are different versions for different user styles. The ultimate version will have the full media center/HDTV/entertainment features built-in.
Fri Mar 24, 11:46:18 PM
Anonymous said...
Here's another question for Rahul: Does VoodooPC plan on offering both Windows XP and Windows Vista when it's launched?
It's doubtful. ...but you never know.
How long did enthusiasts pack dual procs in their systems before, finally, software is coming out to utilize this? For years we've had multi-threaded systems that simply were not used to their advantage. I don't think 64-bit procs will be any different. I also don't think we are seeing dual-core as being completely necessary as well yet either. While dual-core is useful for multi-tasking, the single core procs still pump out more power for a single app, and for those of us who don't multitask, this makes the single-core procs still worth getting.
Vista is a different kind of jump than all that. It's an operating system, the most complex software you will ever buy. It runs your entire system, every application, it is the lifeforce of your computer. Vista is a much bigger step than XP was over 2k, but most are on XP now. There are so many fantastic new features in Vista, I can't believe more people wouldn't be interested in it. It might not be all that useful for businesses, but for gamers... there's just so much that it will be necessary to upgrade if you want to keep up with gaming.
I for one plan on updating my system again when Vista comes out. But not before. You never know everything that can happen in this market until it actually happens, so I'm going to wait till the very last minute so I have every option available to me.
Can't help but comment on the similarity here. With the so called revival of Intel(with Conroe looming) and Microsoft(not as much of being down as Intel..but). But as long as we are benefitting from better and more competetive products, way to go. Technology does have it's way of providing redemption....
Can't help but comment on the similarity here. With the so called revival of Intel(with Conroe looming) and Microsoft(not as much of being down as Intel..but). But as long as we are benefitting from better and more competetive products, way to go. Technology does have it's way of providing redemption....
The world is getting deeper and deeper into browser based web computing, Windows is becoming increasingly irrelevant, there are still some applications such as games and office get us stuck on Windows, but for 90% of our computing time, we don't really need Windows, FireFox under Linux does better. Now Microsoft is trying to make Windows a even more bloated OS with fancier UI, but it can't reverse the trend. The idea of putting all entertainment stuff inside a living room PC won't fly. AMD Live! is a much better idea: PC as a content server and set top box as a client.
Great post as usual Rahul. I for one share the same sentiments with you regarding the release of Vista. I just hope that for Vista to become a great OS it does not need a few service packs as did Windows XP. Granted that Vista has been written using the Windows 2003 SP1 code base and THEN it was refactored and run through various tools and scrutinies and so on, but I definitely do shudder at the thought of the requirements of the OS. I thought that the OS was supposed to be light and quick and efficient and not a bloat of an application itself.
At Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:53:42 AM, justin said...
How long did enthusiasts pack dual procs in their systems before, finally, software is coming out to utilize this? For years we've had multi-threaded systems that simply were not used to their advantage. I don't think 64-bit procs will be any different. I also don't think we are seeing dual-core as being completely necessary as well yet either.
I'm not sure I agree. Dual Core is being used in many applications at the moment - and while I agree 64-bit is essentially useless at this point, it does offer some big advantages in the way it addresses additional memory, etc.
While dual-core is useful for multi-tasking, the single core procs still pump out more power for a single app, and for those of us who don't multitask, this makes the single-core procs still worth getting.
Yes, but single core is dead man walking.
It might not be all that useful for businesses, but for gamers... there's just so much that it will be necessary to upgrade if you want to keep up with gaming.
There are a ton of great features in Vista, no doubt.
I for one plan on updating my system again when Vista comes out. But not before. You never know everything that can happen in this market until it actually happens, so I'm going to wait till the very last minute so I have every option available to me.
Yep, although I am certain that there will be a big refresh in August as new technology is introduced from AMD and Intel.
At Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:18:58 PM, Prem said...
Technology does have it's way of providing redemption....
Yes, it certainly does.
At Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:22:49 PM, Surya said...
Great post as usual Rahul.
Thanks, great start to a response too ;)
I for one share the same sentiments with you regarding the release of Vista. I just hope that for Vista to become a great OS it does not need a few service packs as did Windows XP.
As with any OS there will be service packs. Mac OS also has holes, just not as many people poking them.
I thought that the OS was supposed to be light and quick and efficient and not a bloat of an application itself.
Vista is not as bloated as you might think. It is a very lean core with a boat load of cool features to surround it.
I sure hope Vista is all that you say it is! Because Microsoft has been sitting about without doing anything special in the last 5 years or so with Windows.
Veering away from this post, what do you think of IBM's recent announcement of a 6 GHz POWER6 processor? I can think of many many problems with such a high frequency chip... do you reckon IBM's doing the right thing shooting for such a high frequency?
Call it a rant…
I’m really tired of people whining about system requirements each time Microsoft launches a new operating system. If anything you should be cheering. Everyone who owns a computer want the fastest and best hardware available. The problem with this is that the typical Joe Six-Pack can’t afford it. With the launch of Vista and all the new up and coming hardware advancements for the next year, you should all be cheering about how much prices will drop.
For instance, when AMD drops the AM2 technology, imagine how much cheaper the 939 chips will drop, and how much DDR2’s prices will effect DDR (1?). Now granted, people won’t be switching to these technologies overnight. Shoot… 75% of the market is still on AGP and I’m one of the masses who is in that category.
In 2000 we were all SCREAMING about needing 256MB of RAM in a computer to make XP run smoothly. Oh…. And suggested 1GHz processor!! THE NERVE OF MICROSOFT!?! HOW DARE THEY COME OUT WITH NEW SOFTWARE THAT UTILIZES MORE OF MY COMPUTER!
In all honesty, anyone who uses a computer for gaming or has newer technology in their computer, lets say less then a year old should already be Vista compliant short of a $60 RAM upgrade. Enthusiasts are already overpowered and need to quit complaining. If anything, this will (once again) advance the way hardware and software is written and utilized. MS has done this with each operating system and I thank them for their contribution to the industry.
I’ve stated before in your Conroe blog about the fact that I’m not going to be purchasing the AM2 platform on launch, which also falls true with the launch of Vista. When XP launched, I stayed on 2000 for another year before upgrading and waited for a service pack to drop. The reason? Well, it normally takes that long before a software company, any software company, to make the code cleaner and work out the glitches. Windows is unique in that it works with so many different hardware configurations with little to no hiccups. When there is a hiccup, normally it’s fixed with an exe that is packaged and easily accessible. XP now is an amazing operating system and we have the hardware manufactures and Microsoft to thank for this. It’s taken them 5 years of the operating system in the ‘wild’ for it to become the thing it is today.
I’m already testing Vista through MSDN and like the features but haven’t had the chance to see some of the newer things they’ve added to it since they ditched the RC2. I’m able to get the jist of what it will do to a computer. It’s not that bad actually and people really need to stop whining. Let it drop and then make your opinions. Everything now is just speculation.
The company that can do what the raptor did for desktops in the notebook form factor is going to make a killing. Low power 10k rpm motor components are out there. There will be issues of durability and heat, but THE company that makes either a mega high performance 7200 rpm drive, or better a 10k notebook drive of say 100-120gb in size is going to make a killing. They'll sell so many of those things they won't be able to make enough.
The second thing is this hybrid drive tech. I've said it before and I'll mention it again, make the flash portion of the drive upgradeable, say via a CF card or something along that line. That way people can buy a cheaper entry price with the drive they want and then up the memory as both flash gets cheaper and they have money to spend on upgrades.
Drive technology in notebooks needs a good kick in the pants and it absolutely can be done. Price is a sensitive issue but as we've seen with the pricing of high performance notebooks in general, there is a significant portion of the buying public that is willing to shell out lots of money for the best technology available. Look at those $10K USD desktops from Dell. They sold out.
Hello! That's a hint drive makers. Build us a raptor hybrid notebook drive and you could be singing to your shareholders for years.
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